#msatd s5

[mewmckenna]

Miss Scarlet

So, I am sure by now that everyone has seen the news that Stuart Martin will not be returning for season five of MSATD. I know a lot of people are super disappointed that William is leaving the show, as am I, but honestly, I kind of feel that this could be a new opportunity for the show. It is obvious that the writers did not know that Stuart was leaving the show for good as they were writing last season, but with him being gone it makes the ending of season four almost better to me. Eliza is no longer working for Patrick, and while he is coming back and will likely not end up in prison (though who knows), I imagine Eliza won't go back to Nash & Sons. She was finally able to change the sign above her door to say "Miss Eliza Scarlet," something that seemed impossible to her in earlier seasons. Also, while Eliza is certainly fine at working with a few friends, she will never be the kind of manager that Patrick is as she's simply too independent and stubborn. It is for the better that she is at her own agency, able to do her thing without too much interference.

In a roundabout way, I think William's departure kind of brings everything together. Eliza is truly alone, without William or her father. Everything that she does now will be entirely up to her; she has no father or childhood friend to fall back on. I think that this, plus the name of the show changing to be just Miss Scarlet is a kind of bookend to how the show began. The producers and writers of the show have already hinted at this being the start of a shift in direction, and while the story was largely focused on the romance between William and Eliza during the first four seasons, I think that this gives the creators an opportunity to do more. By calling the show Miss Scarlet and the Duke, they were limited in what they could write. I know I have seen many people comment on how the show seemed to drag because of the drawn out will-they-won't-they between Eliza and William, something I noticed myself after the first couple of seasons.

Now, since it is apparent that they are no longer going to be the endgame couple, there is more freedom in the storyline and what the writers can do with the personal relationships. At the end of season four, it felt to me as though the show had sort of written itself into a corner concerning the title relationship of the show. In another recent post I even commented on how the relationship between the two would remain unchanged unless some drastic action by one of them, probably William. Obviously, I did not know that Stuart was planning on leaving the show, but I think my criticism still stands. Both Eliza and William cared too much about their jobs to ever be able to be truly happy together as we last saw them.

This is exactly the reason that William leaves for New York, and it could be very possibly that the way that they write him out of the show is with him deciding to stay in America. William had been considering quitting his position at Scotland Yard, but this was due to the conditions of his job at the time and how overworked he was, plus the draw of finally being able to be with Eliza. It feels very possible to me that he might change his mind upon entering a less stressful environment and decide not to come back to London. After all, William went months, if not a year, suspecting or knowing Eliza's feelings towards him and vice versa but he was still unwilling to give up his career to be with her. I don't fault William for this as Eliza does the same thing, but it does make his staying in New York a bit more believable.

So even though the show is not going to go in the direction we have all thought it would, I think that this could be a good thing. While we won't know if that is the case for likely a year, I am not going to call any judgements until season five is released. Though I think that the show has definitely benefitted from William's presence, it has always been about Eliza first and foremost and so I am excited to see what she gets up to next.

(Also here's to hoping that Ansu Kabia is included in later casting announcements as we have gone far too long without Moses)

[servants-hall]

First BTS from Miss Scarlet & The Duke S5?

With MSATD S4 premiering in just a few weeks time, we might already have a clue to it's renewal for a fifth season!

peris.costumes ✔️Costume designer Momirka Bailovic is immersed in the creation of the costumes for the next season of #MissScarletandtheDuke at Peris Costumes . ✔️Momirka 👠👗has looked for jewellery complements and accessories in our Jewel House 💍👑 with the help of our colleague Noelia who showed her the latest items we have acquired for our stock. @missscarletandtheduke @missscarletandtheduke.br @samomoma #costume #jewelhouse #design #costumerental #perioddrama @kate_phillipsss

[queenthyatira]

When I said I'd create my own Scarnash AU...

I needed something peppier than "fresh out the slammer" but I will try to finish that soon.

[halloweenshenanigans]

caught up with season 5 through ep 4- got a lot of thoughts but here's my main one right now: (spoilers below)

uuuuuuggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

[blacklister214]

Do you think that if there’s a S5 of MSATD that they won’t have Nash for that whole or majority of that season since he’s supposed to be in jail? Thought they would still have them working together, but then that last part in the finale happened so…?

I think we will see Eliza visiting Patrick while he awaits trial and talking to him about her cases, which he will eventually realize she doesn't actually need his help with, but instead is using it as an excuse to come visit him. I think William will also return before the trial and we'll get some scenes with Patrick and William.

I think William will propose and Eliza accept prior to the trial, but Eliza's actions to secure Patrick release will cause a them to break the engagement. I think she will demonstrate once again a disregard for the law and show she is willing to risk her license to save Patrick. It's going to bring home how important Patrick became to her and William does not play second fiddle.

I also think prejudice in Scotland Yard will also play a role this season, particularly with Patrick's trial and re-opening of Michael's murder. The poor family who hired Michael was Irish, as obviously was Michael and neither of those case were closed. I don't think it's a coincidence, especially since Felix Scott gave an interview talking about how the Irish were treated in London during Victorian times. We've had small sniffs of it with Patrick's comment about having "faced prejudice" way back in 2x04 and the interview in 3x06. I think this matters to the love triangle, because William realizes he doesn't want to leave the police. He's needed to stay an fight the good fight.

I think we will conclude with Patrick joining Eliza's firm.

[mellow-plum]

What in the world? 😭😭😭 At this point we might as well stop watching

We’re headed back to Victorian London as Kate Phillips returns as Eliza Scarlet for a 5th season of investigations. However, Stuart Martin, aka The Duke, will not return. More about the series, now called Miss Scarlet, and a note from Stuart Martin [at the link]

[halloweenshenanigans]

still feeling a bit emotional about it all, but no one can stop me from having a little daydream about Eliza finally getting so fed up with rules and expectations and CONSTANTLY trying to prove herself to everyone around her that she thinks: what the hell, a place where "anything's possible" sounds pretty good, and adventures off to solve cases with Patrick 😌